obedience & opportunism 1

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The book details the betrayal of Israel's leadership during the Holocaust, recalling that Rudolph Kastner, 'then one of Israel's most honored leaders, was a traitor who had cooperated with the Nazi leaders of Germany including Adolph Eichmann to deport Jews from Hungary.'
I don't dispute this claim and anyone who does should read Ben Hecht's Perfidy or The Transfer Agreement by Edwin Black. It is the conclusion drawn from this treason, on page 584, which is far more troublesome:
'Ah, dear truth seeker, Zionist Israel is a creation of the Jesuit Order. Its purpose is to secure Jerusalem for the Jesuits 'infallible' Pope, that he may receive worldwide worship from Solomon's rebuilt Temple. If the Masonic Zionists betrayed their own Jewish race into Pius XII's concentration camps overseen by the Jesuit Order, would they not betray the nation of Israel by giving Jerusalem to the Pope in preparation for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple? [...] Therefore we are living under the preeminence of a Gentile Jesuit conspiracy. It employs notorious Masonic Jews and Gentiles as their agents. This furthers the deception of an international Jewish conspiracy oppressing the nations. Using this lie, the Jesuit General in creating global, anti-Jewish fury again. This fury will culminate in the last mad attempt to invade Israel and destroy the physical descendants of Jacob.'

And who is leading the invasion?
We learn that Bill Clinton was the student president of the Jesuit's Georgetown University and, for a time, expressed the desire of becoming a Jesuit priest. In those days, Clinton was sent to England on a Rhodes scholarship, with all that that implies, and at an anti-American demonstration met Jesuit Friar Richard McSorely, who later headed Georgetown's Center For Peace Studies. On page 672, we get a haunting hint at Clinton's later role in Israel's destruction, as well as those of Norway and France: 'McSorley then went to France and Scandinavia to meet peace people. Stepping off the train right behind him in Oslo, Norway was Bill Clinton.'
And if a Clinton Democrat fails to ignite the flames that will engulf Israel, the Jesuits, 'will use the Republican Party to bring a Jesuit-controlled, Jew-hating fascist dictator to power, 'For the greater glory of the god who sits in St. Peter's chair.'' That's Eric Jon Phelps' explanation why Israel's political leaders, especially those of the Labor Party, are running between, Chirac, King Carlos and the Vatican to secure a 'peace' treaty with the PLO.
I can only advise my readers not to dismiss the possibility that he got it right.

Anonym: "From the early days of the New Age movement, Catholics and Jews have been major targets because they are organized and can't easily be co-opted by a system that wants to change things. The New Age establishment was in worldwide operation as the Nazis were coming to power. Many New Age promoting writers were selling the same agenda as the Nazis, and based on my search of the name, Rene Fulop-Miller, author of the book named by Terry, and other books written by him, he was of that ilk. The Oh Wow gossip factor sells books such as that by Phelps, not a desire to learn about a subject. To show how neutral you are Terry, why don't you suggest a book written by Jesuits themselves on their history."

Terry Melanson: "About Barry: he is above all a realist. Not in the philosophical sense – he has an ease about him to follow the evidence wherever it may lead. Two plus two always equals four in his book, and no one on the planet is going to trick him into thinking its five.
The Jesuits have been under the radar, officially, far too long. Blowing the door wide open on the order is long overdue. Much of the power that was attributed to Jews by the bigots of centuries past, was actually manifested by the Jesuits themselves.
The danger of the new age should never be underestimated, though, I agree 110%. And it may even be far more organized than is apparent from our vantage point. I have come to believe that the power pulling the strings behind the whole network is Freemasonry. The new agers admit the spiritual lineage, but it is more concrete than that. Also, the Jesuits and Masons have been arch enemies from the beginning. Infiltration by both sides has proved a phenomenal success. Some have concluded that both secret societies are so corrupted by one other, there may not be any practical difference between them anymore."

Anonym: Also, Terry, why do you so willingly take the negative side of the Jesuits before you ever get around to the kind of research you say you want to do?
"You have a point. Right now the limited knowledge I have gathered from biased sources leads me to have a negative outlook on them. I may have bought a few lies in forming my opinion, that's why I wanted to seek out a balanced book on the subject.
I'll be honest, Fulop-Miller is subtly biased toward the Jesuits. He tries to conceal it but it still lingers at the surface. That's even better, in my opinion. I've only read the bad, so I'm trying to correct it. At least I'm on to his game!
The intrigue and deceit still comes through. You can't deny history no matter what. It's the exaggerations of the opponents that Fulop-Miller tackles the best. I'm not far in the book, but a few of my earlier beliefs have taken different turn, and some have been strengthened. The nature of Loyolas "Spiritual Excercise" being one of them. Much more occult than I had ever imagined.

Paula: I don't understand.
If Pope Clement XIV. dissolved the Jesuit Order in 1773, how is it that there are Jesuits now?
The Jesuits After the Restoration (1814-1912)

Mr. Booch has a pretty attractive writing style, I grant, but not really a weighty argument from my point of view. A fair debate would surely clarify putative contentious points, as I believe, as long as he doesn't insist to be just sketchily and kind of patronizing in a slighting way. His reaction is understandable but way too coarse-grained and therefore not acceptable. Regarding the Doctrine of Infallibility, for instance, those big ONLYs show blatantly that he isn't aware at all of the political idea behind such an absolutistic dogma of moral impregnability, and this issue could be brought "off the table" easily and quickly, I suppose. Or does he know already of the correspondence between Cardinal Leonardo Antonelli and Pierre Antoine Comte Daru on March 1870 on behalf of Pope Pius IX? Somehow he seems to be quite naive for his profession, and he missed the crucial point dramatically as well as frivolously. That's really too bad, but nevertheless intriguing, too. Bit like theatre performing instead of truth seeking ...
"Well, Dude, you've certainly coverred a lot of ground pretty fast, for an amateur! Good work. Also, keep in mind that no religious faith commands your adherence, as St. Paul said, and Christ hinted, unless it is true. It was the apple in the Garden that tempted Eve because it was appealing. If you remain committed to, and open to the truth, you'll be fine. Best of luck to you. PS for Terry: What difference do you claim exists between Christians and Catholics?"
Well, Booch, listen to the show!

Feud Letters against the Count Paul von Hoensbroech

Terry: "In general, much study was done on the lives of Mozart and Beethoven. Why? Because according to the substantial lists uncovered over the years, nearly all of their friends and acquaintances were Illuminati. Not just Freemasons – as many have known for awhile, even Mozarts' affiliation with the latter – but major members of the Illuminati. Reading works on the life of Mozart, especially, is to learn the history of a powerful clique of Illuminati, mostly in and around Vienna. His patrons, his friends, his Freemasonic buddies: now confirmed members of the Illuminati. The significance of this is open to debate, but the mere fact that this history hasn't been told is enough for me.
The most informative part of the membership bios is the length to which I document the importance of pedagogy to the Illuminati. Sutton has written about it, and identified Pestalozzi and Wundt as the most influential. Basically, the educational techniques exported to the North American continent during the 19th century were not only traceable to members of the Illuminati, but they are methods of control being practiced within the Minerval lodges of the society itself. All members were tested with the techniques, and it made a lasting impression on them. It wasn't that Pestalozzi et al. had discovered it by themselves, they had learned it through association with the Illuminati. (As for Pestalozzi, I back up this assertion by quoting letters he sent before and after his initiation). The main goal of the Illuminati was to institute and control an educational empire for the indoctrination of the young. It worked, and still does.
Books like The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America and The Underground History of American Education go into the details. Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt and John Taylor Gatto aren't experts on the history of the Illuminati, however – they didn't realize the true extent of what they had found."

Well Greg, I went to a Pestalozzi school over seven years … some time ago. So please, don't judge me that hard.
"Pestalozzi held the position of a leader and mentor and he liked to be called Father Pestalozzi." Amen.

Speaking of education … Charles Coppens SJ 1911:
"1. Jesuits are often much amused at the strange notions entertained of them by intelligent and otherwise well informed men and women in this land of general education. The non-Catholic world, as a rule, does not know what to make of them. Some however among the bitterest opponents of the Catholic Church claim to understand all about the Jesuits, and exert themselves to the utmost to denounce them as constituting a secret society plotting in every land, and in the United States in particular, for the destruction of liberty, and the establishment of an absolute dominion in Church and State.
2. When such misrepresentations are widely circulated, the amusement of the Jesuits is of course changed to sadness, on seeing that their pure intentions for the greater glory of God and the eternal welfare of souls are so strangely misunderstood. Such was the case, for instance, when last summer a pamphlet was circulated in one of our Western cities, of which 50,000 copies, it is said, were distributed gratis, containing, amid scores of false charges, the following lines:
'Today the Church and the Order of Jesuits are working as a unit to make America Catholic by methods which, if successful, must inevitably destroy our American Government, root and branch.' (Life & Action, Vol. 2, n. 2, p. 123) The writer of the pamphlet quotes with full approbation, from an anti-Jesuit work, as follows: 'The General (of the Jesuits) is placed above all governments, constitutions, and laws, and even above God himself. There are no laws of a State, no rules of morality established by society, no principles of religious faith established by any Church - including even the Roman Catholic Church itself - that the Jesuit is not bound to resist, when commanded by his General to do so, no matter if it shall lead to war, revolution, or bloodshed, or to the upheaval of Society from its very foundation.' (lb. p. 124)
3. Such charges may not be believed to the letter by persons of even average common sense, but yet they help to spread and deepen a common impression that the Jesuits are a very wicked and dangerous body of men. What makes the matter still worse is that any one who would wish to examine for himself, and for this purpose look for information at the public library of his town or city, is very likely to find there no works on the subject but such as are written by bitter enemies of the Jesuits, for instance 'The History of the Jesuits' by Nicolini. These reasons have induced the present writer to compose a plain, clear and exact statement of the truth, which, though very brief, may give the honest enquirer satisfactory and reliable information."

Some connections that Jon is aware of & Jon's brilliancy vs. Jim's resiliency